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BBC Local Radio is changing
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    It was rumoured from a source on here that all stations HAD to be Mcasso'd by the summer ... Suffolk's holding out which is good to see, it's their first ever sung package & only their 3rd ever package to date I think ... David Arnold from launch in 1990 with a positively orchestral suite of imaging, then it was a package from BBC Creatve around 2000, the last time they tried to use core branding across the network and then this package from S2Blue, problem being they'd not ordered that big a package, the whole thing is online at S2Blue's website & whilst yet it's sung & not Mcasso it's not a big selection and as you say getting rather dated !

    Their argument may be to get the new lineup in place and ease people into that before bringing in new imaging, some PD's consider a BIG sweeping change of staff & imaging to do wonders, some more cautious think that baby steps may well be best, one small change at a time !

    I'm still wondering what happens to 1st generation Mcasso stations, my local in Essex being the first. They've had the cuts since November 2009 (?) now, approaching their 2nd year of the same cuts in use, so I wonder IS the Mcasso imaging a package per area (which is not proving to be the case now) or is it more likely a free for all in which case stations like Essex can 'refresh' for what else is available from the collection.

    And by golly BBC Essex NEED to refresh lols imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> travel & news get played to death !!!
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    ... actually looking at BBC Suffolk's schedules, their brand new brekkie show with Terry Baxter "returning to the BBC" as they put it starts on Monday September 5th ... so, if ever there was a good time to get Mcasso'd lols imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
  • mbmb September 2011
    I stand to be corrected but it's a bit pool of many cuts. I did understand the origional idea was that although sharing the package neighbouring statios would not share cuts so BBC Merseyside would not have the same cuts as BBC Manchester etc - However stations could choose what they wanted on a first come first served basis so if you are in an area where the station next door has all the good cuts ( relatively speaking ) you have to pick from whats left. I think this was part of the concept to get stations ob board as quickly as posible with te threat that they'd be left with the c**p if they were the last to switch.
    The whole concept was ill thought out and ill concieved by the person commissioning them, The production company who had little radio imaging expereince or ability and by BBC worldwide who drove through a deal based on business terms to make money for BBC WW. Again I stand to be corrected but the package was not bought by LR it was bought by BBC Worldwide so the power over imaging has virtually been taken out of local radio hands and put into the BBC commercial arm.
    The longer its on air the more money BBC worldwide make from the package.Watching pennies roll in is the key, they don't give a stuff about how fresh a station sounds, making more cuts or a new package would only cost money so i expect we're stuck with St Mcasso's 4th form choir and band performing jingle jaunts for BBC Local radio for a good while yet.
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011
    Even so the same cuts are being used near to each other. All Mcasso'd stations in the east (Not sure about Essex) have got the same travel jingle for instance and due to the location you can usually pick up 3CR, Cambs, Norfolk, Suffolk & Northampton in most of Herts, Beds & Cambs so they're all beginning to sound like the same station and being as 3CR and Cambs are almost identical it does sound rather boring across the board, with Suffolk keeping S2Blue it actually sounds really refreshing compared to the other Mcasso stations even though they're old jingles now.

    Out of all stations in the East I'd say that 3CR are making the best use out of Mcasso I haven't liked the new schedule which went with it though, fancy cutting an award winning consumer programme down to one hour!
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011
    I've put 3CR, Cambs, Northampton & Norfolk's travel together in the attached clip.

    EastTravel.mp3

    Attached files EastTravel.mp3 (1.7 MB) 
  • GBGB September 2011
    BBC Radio Derby are still to change aswell. I think they are all suppost to be changed by the end of the year.
  • timbotimbo September 2011
    One train of thought, RE stations imaging sounding the same across geographical patches, is that come the outcome of the review of Local BBC Radio I would put my hat on it that more programme sharing will occur. They have ruled out closing stations and closer ties with 5Live. The only way to reduce costs is either slash the number of senior Broadcast Journalists per station and/or up considerably the amount of shared programmes that are non news.

    Similar branding makes that job all the more easier. So I believe this will extend beyond evening shares that occur at the moment. I see more afternoon ('entertainment' based) shows being shared, in addition to greater shared programming at the weekends during the day. At the moment many of these shows could be being braodcast from anywhere to anywhere....use of GNS guests etc.

    Just a thought.
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011

    One train of thought, RE stations imaging sounding the same across geographical patches, is that come the outcome of the review of Local BBC Radio I would put my hat on it that more programme sharing will occur. They have ruled out closing stations and closer ties with 5Live. The only way to reduce costs is either slash the number of senior Broadcast Journalists per station and/or up considerably the amount of shared programmes that are non news.

    Similar branding makes that job all the more easier. So I believe this will extend beyond evening shares that occur at the moment. I see more afternoon ('entertainment' based) shows being shared, in addition to greater shared programming at the weekends during the day. At the moment many of these shows could be being braodcast from anywhere to anywhere....use of GNS guests etc.

    Just a thought.



    But even so, across the East anyway when they share programmes they still play the correct jingles out for the station you're listening I think they've changed the timings too recently as the pips no longer play over the jingles themselves like they used to with programme shares. Interestingly Suffolk's S2Blue timings still seem to work even with these changes even though their evening news bed is slightly longer than the Mcasso ones.
  • mjrukmjruk September 2011
    Hi All,

    I know this is slightly off topic, but do the traffic and travel reporters work for the BBC or are they external. The number of times I hear the presenters introducing the traffic news only to find there is no-one there and they just play the closing jingle move onto the news or whatever the next part of the programme was. It's bizzare! lol
  • timbotimbo September 2011

    Hi All,

    I know this is slightly off topic, but do the traffic and travel reporters work for the BBC or are they external. The number of times I hear the presenters introducing the traffic news only to find there is no-one there and they just play the closing jingle move onto the news or whatever the next part of the programme was. It's bizzare! lol



    I think most BBC stations take travel from Trafficlink, based in Blackfriars London and link up via ISDNs. There are often numerous reasons for the lack of a travel presenter, certainly from my current experience at BBC Radio Kent.

    There is only a slot of time that the travel bod has with a station before they move on to a different station. So if the radio presenter over runs then that slot may have expired and the travel bod may have had to dial out – they will know if it is too tight for them to stay on the line. They communicate with the producer or broadcast assistant off air to hopefully avoid dead air.
    If the programme is a pre-record and over running the desk might be being manned by a Broadcast Assistant that perhaps doesn’t do on air work and can’t self-read the travel - so they might chose to abort....although a competent one really ought to be able to anticipate the problem and not run through the sequence of jingles and go to a plan B up their sleeve!
    For presenters, as we have internet access to the travel issues for our patch too, a self-read is possible and is what I've always had as a stand by when presenting at Kent just in case.

    Other reasons, technical issues for the studios either end....could be human error (not giving clean feed to travel presenter through desk set up - schoolboy mistake) or could be just some random fault.
    Even travel forgetting to dial into a station is possible....I've had fire alarm testing as the reason before now!

    That's the main things I can think of in my experience, hope that helps.
  • timbotimbo September 2011