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BBC Local Radio is changing
  • goonernn7goonernn7 May 2011

    All the pre-corporate sound were from Music4 apart from the original 3CR jingles which were from a local Milton Keynes company.



    And JAM of course - which provided various cuts for 3CR's Ern & Vern over the years and the now-regional programme Rock and Roll Heaven.

  • Anyone know who made these? BBC WM 2002.

    They are not bespoke as I have emailed them to Tim @ Bespoke and he emailed back saying they were hot his.




    http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1297207795_14723_FT75978_wm_2002.mp3 filename:wm_2002.mp3



    That's interesting as we on station were told that the music tracks were made by Bespoke. I think BBC Radio Leeds used the same music tracks at around the same time. All of the other elements were made in house and came in a number of guises, the first of which 'Voices of WM' were voiced by listeners (and in my opinion sounded awful!) but they won a production award. After around 6 months the listener voices were dropped and Asian Network presenter Samina Ali Khan was brought in to re voice (the cuts that feature in your attachment!). A third incarnation used Midlands Today reporter Lyndsay Doyle. This was that time in-between dumping JAM (and carts!) and taking up with Music 4 in mid 2004. The last package of idents used at Pebble Mill.

  • That's interesting as we on station were told that the music tracks were made by Bespoke. I think BBC Radio Leeds used the same music tracks at around the same time. All of the other elements were made in house and came in a number of guises, the first of which 'Voices of WM' were voiced by listeners (and in my opinion sounded awful!) but they won a production award. After around 6 months the listener voices were dropped and Asian Network presenter Samina Ali Khan was brought in to re voice (the cuts that feature in your attachment!). A third incarnation used Midlands Today reporter Lyndsay Doyle. This was that time in-between dumping JAM (and carts!) and taking up with Music 4 in mid 2004. The last package of idents used at Pebble Mill.


    The number of BBC stations yet to change is still in double figures. Does anybody know why it would take so long and when other stations are set to change?
  • simon_t123simon_t123 June 2011
    Some of the earlier BBC Local imaging, those mentioned from BBC WM, with BBC Suffolk using similar (and BBC Derby having a mish mash of instrumental JAM BBC Essex tracks & those from 'BBC Creative') I'd have to say that they DO sound very much like they were composed and instrumented by Bespoke Music, I'd heard that way back too from a reliable source but it's always been denied. What I 'think' might be the case is that Bespoke, JAM or any other producer that provided imaging in the "twinkle" era (where the logo's of the majority Beeb locals were almost identical) produced these under an all rights buy out type agreement like the one that Radio Two have recently sought in their imaging contract tender. That would make sense to me, BBC Creative seemed to be aligned to the network trails & imaging work that seemed to come from BBC English Regions in Birmingham ... These are not solid facts of course, but so many of the WM / Suffolk cuts of the time are alike to say BBC Wiltshire or BBC Sheffield tracks made by Bespoke Music at the time, my moneys on a buy out deal, in which case 'BBC Creative' could well be given as the producer of the audio in question ... if ANY of that makes sense imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

    On a related note, lots of beeb locals have adopted the the mCasso 'stuff' it works I guess, it's done a good job of uniformly branding the stations, there are still many not using mCasso tracks, BBC Norfolk being quite prominent as it's a regional hub, you'd think stations like that would be more than urged to carry mCasso offerings. BBC Suffolk I believe is still singing with S2Blue, BBC Radio Shropshire certainly still singing with TM Studios when I was on holiday in April so there are a few still imaged independently, be interesting to know who else has not gone over yet (without listening to all on the iPlayer lols) I think the 'Jingle Network' wrote on it's blog that it had it on good authority all stations MUST be mCasso'd by the summer ?
  • mbmb June 2011
    The Mcasso BBC Local imaging was done under the BBC Worldwide umbrella.
    The push to have them playting on all asap is based on projected income from usage that BBC WW is not getting from the stations still using older packages. Projections of income were most probabbly based on all stations paying rights on the tracks by a certain date, if they are not income returns will be lower than anticipated.

    Nothing to do with having a unifed sound and creative but how much rights money flows back into BBC WW.
    The reason it is still not in use on some stations - My conjecture might be that the Editors on some of those stations don't particularly like the imaging being foisted onto them.There was a bit of "you don't want to be last and not have the choice of cuts" as regions side by side cannot use the same tracks. however laughable as a concept when they are trialing programme sharing!!! The thought if you are a bbc local with stations N S E W if you are last to adopt all the "good" ( and I use that term in loose terms ) cuts will be allocated leaving you with the worst.

    Trouble is the package was developed to suit the financial requirements of BBC WW to maximise revenue from playing out a package made on X rights agreement. BBC worldwide don't care about quality if if its the right product as long as they can show the ££'s from the model. Et Voila the mess thats on air now. Sounds awful but it costs YOU the licence payer less.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 June 2011
    ... @MB ... BLIMEY !!!!!! imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
  • tom_htom_h June 2011
    BBC Shropshire are now using the Mcasso jingles. Do think they sound slightly out of place on the station. They seem to have a 'city' feel.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 June 2011
    pah ... another sung jingle user bites the dust imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' /> and to think how much that custom TM package must of cost !!! where's the talk of wasted licence fee money when stations ditch expensive packages for the sake of uniformality ? where it's improved a stations sound I'm all for it (or I was until I read what MB was saying about it being a BBC Worldwide 'pay per play' scheme) but where stations had a good imaging sound with time to run on their packages why dump out early ???
  • simon_t123simon_t123 June 2011
    ... nothing new at all in this package either !!! some stuff heard on Kent & Leeds, here's an mp3 however of the news in, travel (with some extra bed as travel were not awake yet) and a kind of standard presenter ID image

    Attached files BBCShrop.mp3 (1.4 MB) 
  • mbmb June 2011
    It just sounds awful. BBC Local Radi ois in the toilet audience wise.
    Being taken over by the News Dept didn't help as now the suits think the only thing worth doing is news news news - like people don't talk about anything else.
    BBC Local radio despite the commercial groups moans is so cash strapped, the overheads are mostly staff so any cuts mean people.
    Why does the imaging they were using 20 years ago sound more upbeat and alive?
    This imaging can only help BBC LR spiral downwards will dull lifeless middle of the road imaging. compare the TM BBC Radio Shropshire package to Mcasso. It's like Mozart and Aqua.
  • tom_htom_h June 2011
    Yeah, it is a shame. Shropshire's old jingle package suited the station sound.

    I've realized with the new ones, they don't really work if you have the travel after the news as the presenter ID doesn't fit in right. It just becomes jingle after jingle.
  • wixy1360wixy1360 June 2011