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You Package for Beacon Radio
  • martinlestermartinlester March 2013
    The You Package from TM is one of my favourite Classic TM Packages

    I was going through my old recordings yesterday and wondered if anyone knows the background to this
    As the Tracks sound different to the original so was this re created?

    (Like some of the Alfasound Cuts that Len has previously spoken about)

    or Re mixed from the Original master?
  • wixy1360wixy1360 March 2013
    Yamco? :-(
  • SeanMartinSeanMartin March 2013
    Who knows if it was ever legit, but the tracks and the vocals were recorded in the UK. My first thought was that someone may have thought that the Atlantic not only divided continents, but copyright issues too!! These were outright copies.

    Would be interesting to know from those "in" the know ;)
  • LenGroatLenGroat March 2013
    I believe the deal was totally 'legit'? Jay & Alan the 2 bosses at Beacon used UK 'musos' using the original parts of the scores, so could claim it against their MU budget?

    Of course (as we all knew) no one could replicate the class, style musicality, tightness of the original tracks - it was like 'seed pearls' instead of real pearls. I'll leave someone else to comment on the vocals....
  • IainJohnstonIainJohnston March 2013
    I think the Beacon "You" topic came up on JM a very long time ago?

    In the meantime, with apologies for the "reference-only sound quality", a bit of the Beacon stuff to judge on the "production quality".

    I can't look for any "proper" US You station stuff at present (it'll be "somewhere"...) but if anyone can post something definately the TM Dallas article for comparison?

    Beacon-You by wixy1360
  • IainJohnstonIainJohnston March 2013
    Thanks TC - well, discernably different - but the UK ones' tracks are closer to the originals than they might have been! A better effort than some "other" attempts of the time at reproducing US production by UK (Musicians Union approved) producers.

    Some of the brass at least was performed with as much "gusto" as the originals :)
  • ratnobratnob March 2013

    Thanks TC - well, discernably different - but the UK ones' tracks are closer to the originals than they might have been! Some of the brass at least was performed with as much "gusto" as the originals :)



    I agree - it's big and brassy and sounded like nothing else on British radio, so all credit to all involved for the sheer ambition of the project.
  • mbmb March 2013
    Well i'm going to stick my two penneth in I like the vocals especially on the "special friend" song both the male and female vocals are clear, crisp and sound great.
  • Very interesting. Do you think the singers were trying to sound American? Check out the word "like" on cut 3's "we like what you like." Almost has a U.S. southern dialect.
  • AndyWAndyW April 2013
    I'm sure these were legit like the PAMS re makes for Orwell around the same time. I heard that Tom Merriman kept the multitrack but later gave it to Muff Murfin when he started re selling TM in the UK. They were made by Yamco, an off shoot of EMIson when it closed.

    The much more interesting topic is the Beacon EMIson sign on package that 'borrows' heavily and not very legitimately from some mid 70's Jam tracks. I'm sure Jon has a few words to say on that matter as he did in the Radio Mag a couple of years ago.
  • enerjeeenerjee July 2013
    I always reckoned the Beacon resings were better than the originals, however, I am biased as they were some of first the jingles that I heard as I began listening to Beacon a couple of months before they introduced them on air, replacing their "Sunshine" package.

    Brilliantly produced in my opinion and, in my young teenage naivety, I used to think it was Olivia Newton-John and Andrew Gold singing on the beautiful "Wanna Sing Your Song" cuts ! ! !
  • martinlestermartinlester September 16
    I have dug out some of my old You packages and one thing I have noticed

    Almost all of the versions I have , with the exception of beacon that changed 24 hours to 19 hours a day have the same basic lyrics

    Why was that ?

    Was it because the Demo Lyrics was so good

    Or

    No PD’s could spare the time to write anything better

    If you take any other package from TM or PAMS you will always find several versions but with You package the one set of lyrics are used on every station
  • IainJohnstonIainJohnston September 16
    I've heard versions where the station call has clearly been sung as an "insert" into the main body of the cuts,
    i.e. just a small bit to sing instead of the entire cut long lyrics, and the difference in sound/voices/texture
    has been detectable.

    To be fair, the "You" package WAS one that TM designed to have the long cuts chopped-down to shorter
    versions, c.f. as with earlier era long Heller jingles.

    Not being in any way critical, but I think on some of the JAM Christmas Kit cuts the plugging-in of simply a
    station's call letters is sometimes also "detectable" - but as an economy measure for a budget mini-package
    that DOES make sense. [I stand to be corrected there?]

    As for the Beacon Yamco "You", as far as I know it was all done quite legitimately "in association" with TM - and
    it IS instrumentally & vocally "fresher" than the US original - shame the only copies I've ever heard are just a bit
    "mushy" or artifacty (darn those MP3 rip days!)

    PS - would I be right in saying the Emison custom for Swansea Sound was also a UK "co-operation" with TM?
  • martinlestermartinlester September 16

    I've heard versions where the station call has clearly been sung as an "insert" into the main body of the cuts,
    i.e. just a small bit to sing instead of the entire cut long lyrics, and the difference in sound/voices/toexture
    has been detectable.



    I have also noticed that as well for example on the TM in Japan the Insert while vocally fine is on the track at a higher level than the rest of the track

  • IainJohnstonIainJohnston September 16
    "at a higher level than the rest of the track"

    Indeed; I'm thinking of a Canadian station version like that.