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BBC Local Radio is changing
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    It was rumoured from a source on here that all stations HAD to be Mcasso'd by the summer ... Suffolk's holding out which is good to see, it's their first ever sung package & only their 3rd ever package to date I think ... David Arnold from launch in 1990 with a positively orchestral suite of imaging, then it was a package from BBC Creatve around 2000, the last time they tried to use core branding across the network and then this package from S2Blue, problem being they'd not ordered that big a package, the whole thing is online at S2Blue's website & whilst yet it's sung & not Mcasso it's not a big selection and as you say getting rather dated !

    Their argument may be to get the new lineup in place and ease people into that before bringing in new imaging, some PD's consider a BIG sweeping change of staff & imaging to do wonders, some more cautious think that baby steps may well be best, one small change at a time !

    I'm still wondering what happens to 1st generation Mcasso stations, my local in Essex being the first. They've had the cuts since November 2009 (?) now, approaching their 2nd year of the same cuts in use, so I wonder IS the Mcasso imaging a package per area (which is not proving to be the case now) or is it more likely a free for all in which case stations like Essex can 'refresh' for what else is available from the collection.

    And by golly BBC Essex NEED to refresh lols imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> travel & news get played to death !!!
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    ... actually looking at BBC Suffolk's schedules, their brand new brekkie show with Terry Baxter "returning to the BBC" as they put it starts on Monday September 5th ... so, if ever there was a good time to get Mcasso'd lols imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
  • mbmb September 2011
    I stand to be corrected but it's a bit pool of many cuts. I did understand the origional idea was that although sharing the package neighbouring statios would not share cuts so BBC Merseyside would not have the same cuts as BBC Manchester etc - However stations could choose what they wanted on a first come first served basis so if you are in an area where the station next door has all the good cuts ( relatively speaking ) you have to pick from whats left. I think this was part of the concept to get stations ob board as quickly as posible with te threat that they'd be left with the c**p if they were the last to switch.
    The whole concept was ill thought out and ill concieved by the person commissioning them, The production company who had little radio imaging expereince or ability and by BBC worldwide who drove through a deal based on business terms to make money for BBC WW. Again I stand to be corrected but the package was not bought by LR it was bought by BBC Worldwide so the power over imaging has virtually been taken out of local radio hands and put into the BBC commercial arm.
    The longer its on air the more money BBC worldwide make from the package.Watching pennies roll in is the key, they don't give a stuff about how fresh a station sounds, making more cuts or a new package would only cost money so i expect we're stuck with St Mcasso's 4th form choir and band performing jingle jaunts for BBC Local radio for a good while yet.
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011
    Even so the same cuts are being used near to each other. All Mcasso'd stations in the east (Not sure about Essex) have got the same travel jingle for instance and due to the location you can usually pick up 3CR, Cambs, Norfolk, Suffolk & Northampton in most of Herts, Beds & Cambs so they're all beginning to sound like the same station and being as 3CR and Cambs are almost identical it does sound rather boring across the board, with Suffolk keeping S2Blue it actually sounds really refreshing compared to the other Mcasso stations even though they're old jingles now.

    Out of all stations in the East I'd say that 3CR are making the best use out of Mcasso I haven't liked the new schedule which went with it though, fancy cutting an award winning consumer programme down to one hour!
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011
    I've put 3CR, Cambs, Northampton & Norfolk's travel together in the attached clip.

    EastTravel.mp3

    Attached files EastTravel.mp3 (1.7 MB) 
  • GBGB September 2011
    BBC Radio Derby are still to change aswell. I think they are all suppost to be changed by the end of the year.
  • timbotimbo September 2011
    One train of thought, RE stations imaging sounding the same across geographical patches, is that come the outcome of the review of Local BBC Radio I would put my hat on it that more programme sharing will occur. They have ruled out closing stations and closer ties with 5Live. The only way to reduce costs is either slash the number of senior Broadcast Journalists per station and/or up considerably the amount of shared programmes that are non news.

    Similar branding makes that job all the more easier. So I believe this will extend beyond evening shares that occur at the moment. I see more afternoon ('entertainment' based) shows being shared, in addition to greater shared programming at the weekends during the day. At the moment many of these shows could be being braodcast from anywhere to anywhere....use of GNS guests etc.

    Just a thought.
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011

    One train of thought, RE stations imaging sounding the same across geographical patches, is that come the outcome of the review of Local BBC Radio I would put my hat on it that more programme sharing will occur. They have ruled out closing stations and closer ties with 5Live. The only way to reduce costs is either slash the number of senior Broadcast Journalists per station and/or up considerably the amount of shared programmes that are non news.

    Similar branding makes that job all the more easier. So I believe this will extend beyond evening shares that occur at the moment. I see more afternoon ('entertainment' based) shows being shared, in addition to greater shared programming at the weekends during the day. At the moment many of these shows could be being braodcast from anywhere to anywhere....use of GNS guests etc.

    Just a thought.



    But even so, across the East anyway when they share programmes they still play the correct jingles out for the station you're listening I think they've changed the timings too recently as the pips no longer play over the jingles themselves like they used to with programme shares. Interestingly Suffolk's S2Blue timings still seem to work even with these changes even though their evening news bed is slightly longer than the Mcasso ones.
  • mjrukmjruk September 2011
    Hi All,

    I know this is slightly off topic, but do the traffic and travel reporters work for the BBC or are they external. The number of times I hear the presenters introducing the traffic news only to find there is no-one there and they just play the closing jingle move onto the news or whatever the next part of the programme was. It's bizzare! lol
  • timbotimbo September 2011

    Hi All,

    I know this is slightly off topic, but do the traffic and travel reporters work for the BBC or are they external. The number of times I hear the presenters introducing the traffic news only to find there is no-one there and they just play the closing jingle move onto the news or whatever the next part of the programme was. It's bizzare! lol



    I think most BBC stations take travel from Trafficlink, based in Blackfriars London and link up via ISDNs. There are often numerous reasons for the lack of a travel presenter, certainly from my current experience at BBC Radio Kent.

    There is only a slot of time that the travel bod has with a station before they move on to a different station. So if the radio presenter over runs then that slot may have expired and the travel bod may have had to dial out – they will know if it is too tight for them to stay on the line. They communicate with the producer or broadcast assistant off air to hopefully avoid dead air.
    If the programme is a pre-record and over running the desk might be being manned by a Broadcast Assistant that perhaps doesn’t do on air work and can’t self-read the travel - so they might chose to abort....although a competent one really ought to be able to anticipate the problem and not run through the sequence of jingles and go to a plan B up their sleeve!
    For presenters, as we have internet access to the travel issues for our patch too, a self-read is possible and is what I've always had as a stand by when presenting at Kent just in case.

    Other reasons, technical issues for the studios either end....could be human error (not giving clean feed to travel presenter through desk set up - schoolboy mistake) or could be just some random fault.
    Even travel forgetting to dial into a station is possible....I've had fire alarm testing as the reason before now!

    That's the main things I can think of in my experience, hope that helps.
  • timbotimbo September 2011
    ...oh should say Trafficlink have studios around the country, London obviously serves the South East.

    I always find it odd hearing our travel bods on commercial stations they serve too.
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011

    ... actually looking at BBC Suffolk's schedules, their brand new brekkie show with Terry Baxter "returning to the BBC" as they put it starts on Monday September 5th ... so, if ever there was a good time to get Mcasso'd lols imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



    Good for BBC Radio Suffolk 3 schedule changes and they're still using S2blue this morning, looks like they're happy with their current package which is cool because it's nice to have something different in the East since the others are all Mcasso'd now.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    The BBC F.O.I request people did acknowledge my request for information going back to the commissioning process for the Local Radio imaging but since I've heard nothing, I think it says they have 10 weeks to formulate a reply ... I was reading interestingly elsewhere that there had been a number of F.O.I requests and legal actions instigated on behalf of imaging suppliers over the BBC R2 imaging tender that went out earlier in the year.

    re: Vinnah's mp3 of travel beds in the East there's certainly a flavour going on there, Essex being the exception with their travel ... Saying that it's got to be due for a refresh, and Timbo's point about increased networking may well prove VERY founded ... Personally, if cuts really have to be made, then I'd rather the beeb playout localised ID's as they do now with regional share progs. What they do now in the evening seems to work, I presume Radioman is sending out commands to fire off similarly timed cuts in the locals. I know I was harshly against Heart wiping out the local ILR's and I'm certainly against closing local radio stations etc but if cuts really, really do need to be made then yes, chop out beeb local afternoons & maybe even mid-mornings, share a phone-in consumer show 9-12 and an afternoon show, maybe fronted by a regional celeb I don't know, Stuart White from Look East ? Insert local ID's, travel & news into the daytime shares, make sure the presenters cover the whole patch fairly etc. That should produce listenable local radio, albeit on a regional basis but with enough of a locally inserted presence to keep the essence of the output local for all ...

    Mcasso imaging would certainly help facilitate such plans !

    One of my main issues with networking Heart style was playing on my mind whilst stuck in a queue on my local A12 at 7.05pm without a hope in hells chance of a local travel update on Heart ! Saying that, they have increased local opt-links since cutting Heart down to fewer regions, but I digress lols imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />
  • RWRW September 2011
    BBC Radio Derby have changed over today. The news intro sounds like a new one - a variation on the Devon/Northampton theme, but the travel is the same as the one that's all over the Eastern Counties.

    Just five to go now!
  • local_12local_12 September 2011
    Just listened to BBC Radio Derby, nice to see that there are still a few surprises and that the cuts haven't all been released. The travel is the same but unique in that part of the Midlands. Maybe now there will be a variation of the Leeds/Surrey news intro.
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011
    BBC Radio Derby's is certainly different and if it was the only station with Mcasso branding I'd say that it was actually decent, however it's just becoming the same old boring thing with Mcasso at the moment. It'll be interesting to find out what Suffolk & Cumbria are going to make of it since they seem to be really keen to keep S2blue.
  • tom_htom_h September 2011
    I like Derby's. It is a bit different.

    Heard an odd short one on BBC WM earlier, are there any other 'short' versions like this on other stations?

    Attached files ID2.mp3 (80.8 KB) 
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011

    I like Derby's. It is a bit different.

    Heard an odd short one on BBC WM earlier, are there any other 'short' versions like this on other stations?



    That's on 3CR sometimes.
  • fredgreekfredgreek September 2011

    I like Derby's. It is a bit different.

    Heard an odd short one on BBC WM earlier, are there any other 'short' versions like this on other stations?


    BBC Radio Gloucestershire use this all the time.
  • local_12local_12 September 2011
    Sorry, I was just wondering if anyone has the musical type Mcasso hour-opener used by Liz Rhodes on BBC Radio Cambridgeshire. Thanks <img src='
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    One day dubs of all the CD's might make an appearance ... maybe lols !!!
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    Not sure if anyone here recalls that I sent the Beeb a 'Freedom Of Information' request for info relating to the project Mcasso went on to produce ? Well after a little wait I've had a reply ... feel free to download & have a read, however it would seem the information relating to the subject is not very 'free' ... Which to me is quite interesting imagehttp://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

    a rel="nofollow" href="http://"
  • timbotimbo September 2011
    Here's a Derby TOTH. I hasn't heard this one until now so yes nice to hear a couple of different ones of late (WM and now this one).

    Enjoy.

    T

    Attached files Derby_TOTH.mp3 (1022.9 KB) 
  • star+tetleystar tetley September 2011
    This is a completely new TOTH but isn't WM the same as others apart from the orchestral finish. It's actually a bit strange how it switches.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 September 2011
    I like the Derby TOH, very good <img src=' I guess with almost all stations past the take up phase now this thread might quieten down a bit ! I'm still hoping for early adopters to have a refresh of some kind before too long ...
  • GBGB September 2011
    Loving the Mcasso BBC Radio Derby theme. There are hints of BBC Radio Devon in there, but highly vamped up!
  • VinnahVinnah September 2011
    The Derby one is certainly different, do all of the cuts on Derby have this sort of theme?

    Meanwhile Suffolk & Solent still have their old jingles which is great because they're still really good. Who made Solent's jingles?
  • jonnojonno September 2011

    Who made Solent's jingles?



    funny, I've been meaning to ask that for ages :-) better get round to airchecking some programmes before they get Mcasso'd

    Edit:
    searching elsewhere in jinglemad and on the net, a rel="nofollow" href="http://"http://jinglemad.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
  • jonnojonno September 2011

    ...better get round to airchecking some programmes before they get Mcasso'd



    Here's a scoped aircheck focusing on the imaging in the first 45 mins of Julian Clegg's Breakfast Show this morning (Sep 29th)

    Attached files Solent 29092011.mp3 (4.1 MB) 
  • tom_htom_h October 2011
    Sorry if this has already been asked.

    But does the BBC specify a basic structure of what jingles are needed i.e there must be a news, traffic and presenter ID but any extra's are up to the station?

    Cheers.
  • tom_htom_h October 2011
    Accidental double post.

    - Sorry!
  • simon_t123simon_t123 October 2011
    DQF has suggested more regional networking in the afternoon, networking "across england between 7pm and 10pm with all stations linking together" (did they mean ALL or regions across England ?) and then after 10pm stations networking regionally. Local news output to be retained at least in the afternoons. So with that in mind it brings a more logical case for the MCasso branding, I think the DQF mentioned significant LR's would retain more local programming, and that BBC London would lose some off-peak programming to bring it into line with other LR's (whilst seeming to keep BBC London's individuality somewhat). With networking on the cards, when in place it would surely make it harder to reverse the 'same sound' trend of the MCasso imaging, as stations going in different jingle directions would then have network junctions to consider etc, I'd imagine across the network branding will remain the flavour for much time to come.

    The DQF also highlighted the removal of a number of split output brekkie shows ! That may mean a reduction in BBC premises etc, it's sad in many ways but at least the beeb is I think THE last media outlet to do mass culling of assets etc, the independent media have been doing it for years !!!

    I wonder if the old view that if the BBC were allowed to take ads & the licence fee was abolished etc would see things being done differently ? Less savings required could in the future mean a reversal of DQF plans.
  • wixy1360wixy1360 October 2011
    The descriptions above under the DQF proposals ("Delivering Quality First"...an utterly bollox phrase as usual, to euphemistically describe swinging cuts) are what the French France Bleu state-owned public local system have been doing for years - and still give seamless local/regional/national switching, and have had and continue to commission the best "network style - local versions" SUNG jingles around. Oh, and they DO take advertising, but don't let it destroy the high standards of their PSB programming.

    However, the Brits are forever "re-inventing the wheel" in general, rather than looking to see how anyone else might have already found ways to successfully solve the same problems...
  • star+tetleystar tetley October 2011

    DQF has suggested more regional networking in the afternoon, networking "across england between 7pm and 10pm with all stations linking together" (did they mean ALL or regions across England ?) and then after 10pm stations networking regionally. Local news output to be retained at least in the afternoons. So with that in mind it brings a more logical case for the MCasso branding, I think the DQF mentioned significant LR's would retain more local programming, and that BBC London would lose some off-peak programming to bring it into line with other LR's (whilst seeming to keep BBC London's individuality somewhat). With networking on the cards, when in place it would surely make it harder to reverse the 'same sound' trend of the MCasso imaging, as stations going in different jingle directions would then have network junctions to consider etc, I'd imagine across the network branding will remain the flavour for much time to come.

    The DQF also highlighted the removal of a number of split output brekkie shows ! That may mean a reduction in BBC premises etc, it's sad in many ways but at least the beeb is I think THE last media outlet to do mass culling of assets etc, the independent media have been doing it for years !!!

    I wonder if the old view that if the BBC were allowed to take ads & the licence fee was abolished etc would see things being done differently ? Less savings required could in the future mean a reversal of DQF plans.


    Even when all stations had their 'own' jingles many of the regional shows would break away for local jingles. It was obviously possible to come up with something of the same length for all locals by playing around with them a little.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 October 2011

    Even when all stations had their 'own' jingles many of the regional shows would break away for local jingles. It was obviously possible to come up with something of the same length for all locals by playing around with them a little.



    with mixed results mind ! last time I spied a Radioman terminal it looked like the local idents were fired off by a macro command from the host studio, localisation beeb style has varied results depending which area you live in, the presenter would frequently end up speaking over the vocal of sung stations where a end/fade existed for others, but whilst I think a separate identity is important & what we'd mostly all like to see, the use of MCasso across the board does tidy things up a bit if all this networking is coming our way <img src='
  • RWRW October 2011
    BBC Radio Manchester have marked their move to Salford today by changing over to Mcasso. News intro isn't very impressive, in fact it's just the fadeout from the Surrey/Sussex news jingle!
  • thelistenerthelistener October 2011
    Errr .... It's actually a totally new mix of an existing cut, made especially for Manchester.
  • mbmb October 2011

    Errr .... It's actually a totally new mix of an existing cut, made especially for Manchester.



    Well that makes all the difference, lets face it Manchester had top class imaging from an Editor who knows his stuff, having the cheapo Mcasso dirge forced upon them must be awful.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 October 2011
    ooo' Mancs don't seem to have a localised logo for their news sequence, just the 3 note B.B.C logo at the top, bottom and after the headlines read ...
  • RjMRjM October 2011
    I feared the move to MediaCityUK would signal the end of IQ Beats on Radio Manchester (new building, new sound) it's use seemed to be phasing out recently. I've not been overly impressed with what I've heard so far today, but to be fair I never would have been in comparison.

    The new sound is inoffensive enough, and I will give it time to get used to, but we had been spoilt with the excellent IQ package and it's many updates over the years (so no more sung presenter ID, sung weather jingles). IQBeats gave Radio Manchester a completely different sound to the rest of the BBC locals, and gave a big sound for a big city, and helped hugely in shifting away the cosy feel from the previous GMR.

    I am pleased that Trish Bertram (my favourite station voice) and Craig Kelly have been retained as station voices.

    Finally I know that the IQ "BBC Radio Manchester" logo stuck with people who had no interest in jingles, I wonder if the Mcasso cuts will have the same memorability?
  • olly92olly92 October 2011
    On Graham Liver last week he was talking a bit about the sharing. It sounds like in the evenings it will be BBC across the North (Like the do in the midlands) sharing on a few stations. I often check out Georgey Spanswick. She deals with it really well. They don't have the localised logo just the B.B.C.
    It would actually be the same LAN-CA-SHIRE MAN-CHES-TER MER-SEY-SIDE CUMB-RI-A In the north anyway.
  • petewilsonpetewilson October 2011
    Hi All,

    Here's the BBC Surrey/Sussex Travel bed in the clear (Thanks to incompetent presenters or equipment!)

    BBC Sussex Travel Bed.mp3






    I feared the move to MediaCityUK would signal the end of IQ Beats on Radio Manchester (new building, new sound) it's use seemed to be phasing out recently. I've not been overly impressed with what I've heard so far today, but to be fair I never would have been in comparison.

    The new sound is inoffensive enough, and I will give it time to get used to, but we had been spoilt with the excellent IQ package and it's many updates over the years (so no more sung presenter ID, sung weather jingles). IQBeats gave Radio Manchester a completely different sound to the rest of the BBC locals, and gave a big sound for a big city, and helped hugely in shifting away the cosy feel from the previous GMR.

    I am pleased that Trish Bertram (my favourite station voice) and Craig Kelly have been retained as station voices.

    Finally I know that the IQ "BBC Radio Manchester" logo stuck with people who had no interest in jingles, I wonder if the Mcasso cuts will have the same memorability?


    Attached files BBC Sussex Travel Bed.mp3 (1.3 MB) 
  • simon_t123simon_t123 October 2011
    Many thanks to Dominic, who emailed over the weekend to say that BBC Radio Suffolk has now moved over to Mcasso ... the sound is not too bad actually, as Dominic had been doing I checked out the new sound via iPlayer, some cuts very similar to BBC Essex but the use of them is quite different, Suffolk have kept their station voices ... So is that just Solent & London left to switch now ???
  • local_10local_10 October 2011
    Hello there, local_12 here (forgot password :-? ) as local_10.
    Anyway, all stations in the Eastern Counties have changed with Suffolk sounding similar but different to Norfolk. Cumbria hasn't changed yet unless they did today and Solent is still unwilling to change being the regional hub for BBC South
  • VinnahVinnah October 2011
    Interesting how Suffolk changed on a Thursday instead of a Monday as usual.
  • robertpobjoyrobertpobjoy October 2011

    One day dubs of all the CD's might make an appearance ... maybe lols !!!



    Probably not, but I do have a HUGE stack of these cuts working in a BBC Local Station ;)
  • timbotimbo October 2011
    I've heard and have a few BBC Cumbria cuts in Mcasso style and I believe Solent are working on them too as I have a couple of cuts from there as well.
  • timbotimbo October 2011
    Meant to add that the Solent weather cut I have is different to what I've heard before being used.
  • timbotimbo October 2011
    Bits referred to on the Soundcloud
  • simon_t123simon_t123 October 2011
    timbo, those Cumbria & Solent cuts are none too bad :) and robertpobjoy dear chap, if you have anything odd or new Mcasso-wise hidden away please consider letting us have a listen, ta !!!
  • fredgreekfredgreek November 2011
    The Cumbria travel bed is the same one used on BBC Radio Gloucestershire and BBC Radio Berkshire (I think BBC Radio Lancashire also use it but not sure).
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    I've been listening to BBC Radio Northampton's jingles, does anyone else think that out of all of the Mcasso implementations in the East, Northamptons seems to be the most unpolished out of the lot, not the quality of the jingles themselves but they way they're played out.

    The news bed doesn't seem to connect to the logo at all usually starting after a delay during the pips and it's now the only one in the East which is played during the regional programmes after 7.

    I'm not a fan of Suffolk having Mcasso as I thought the s2blue package was absolutely excellent but they do seem to have made a good effort with what they have, I still think that 3CR's use of Mcasso is more polished than the others.
  • star+tetleystar tetley November 2011
    Vinnah said:

    I've been listening to BBC Radio Northampton's jingles, does anyone else think that out of all of the Mcasso implementations in the East, Northamptons seems to be the most unpolished out of the lot, not the quality of the jingles themselves but they way they're played out.

    The news bed doesn't seem to connect to the logo at all usually starting after a delay during the pips and it's now the only one in the East which is played during the regional programmes after 7.

    I'm not a fan of Suffolk having Mcasso as I thought the s2blue package was absolutely excellent but they do seem to have made a good effort with what they have, I still think that 3CR's use of Mcasso is more polished than the others.



    Some interesting points. I agree that the Northampton news is strange. You say it is the only one played during the regional shows? Please explain.
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    Recently just before Suffolk switched to Mcasso the other BBC East stations stopped playing their news beds after 1900 each night. Northampton is now the only one which does.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 November 2011
    I wonder if that's a fault with Radioman ??? it seems a bit of a backwards step to de-image a sequence that actually worked quite well ... of course it would be all neat & tidy under Mcasso rule !!! Mind you I guess if all stations are using Mcasso then the regional jocks may as well just use a generic "doo-dee-doo" news intro ;)

    It's interesting around the regions to note that if say Kent is producing network programming they seem to use their own Mcasso logo ! which much sound odd to some (possibly only jinglemadders living in the patch lols) ...

    I think Manchester is the only local not to have or use it's own logo ? It's all sounded very plain & B-B-C to me, not bad imaging but nothing new or their own there, again mind the argument might be that all stations around BBC Mancs have pretty much the same Mcasso logo anyway !!!
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    It's interesting there used to be a couple of programmes like that on Saturday nights in the East which you could hear a generic BBC in the East Mcasso variation even on Radio Suffolk before they switched to Mcasso.

    Richard Spendlove's Eastern region (and in Kent) programme on a Saturday plays out the BBC Radio Cambridgeshire presenter jingle on all stations however it's the old Music4 jingle which BBC Cambridgeshire dropped in August! It's pretty awesome that they kept some reference to it anyway.

    Also there's another non Mcasso generic BBC In the East set of jingles which is played out sometimes on the Nick Risby show which have been around for a few years, not quite sure who made them but they have the same voiceovers as on BBC Radio Suffolk which is where Nick Risby's show comes from.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 November 2011
    BBC Essex had their 25th birthday the other week, they didn't even go back to jingles of old in their '25 years of BBC Essex' type show ... and no new Mcasso material, you'd think after 2 (maybe 3) years now (I forget) they'd refresh the news / travel junctions that are played TO DEATH !!! Elsewhere in the region mind, there's fresher Mcasso variety to be heard, it's not bad ... Still not sure Vinnah why they'd drop the localised news ins, have they returned yet ?

    I'd heard random things on regional shows in the East, Ern / Vern had a BBC 3CR instrumental from music4 at the start of one of their weekend shows of recent years, what does Wally Webb do in the mornings ? Am sure he uses Norfolk cuts but not 100%

    Refering to Spendlove ... those music4 BBC Cambs ID's hardly ever had a BBC Cambs logo, not sure if you ever noticed but it seemed BBC Devon paid for that package as only the news & travel cuts have a BBC Radio Cambridgeshire logo, the jock ID's and a lot of the sung cuts Cambs used had the BBC Radio Devon logo, I always thought that sounded kinda weird ...

    BBC Suffolks S2Blue package was small but functional, from the S2Blue site there were even a suite of cuts not used it seemed, I enjoyed listening in as I travelled regularly thru the patch, of course that package was very closely related to previous BBC Radio Cornwall S2Blue work, and Suffolk's cuts could well have found a home in Cornwall, tho' I'd not listened to their output since dating someone from nearby Plymouth back in 2006 ;)
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    There are localised news intros between 1900-0100 every weekday night however sometimes they play a generic "BBC In the East" (Not the actual name of the package) set of jingles which I've not heard anywhere else and they're definitely not Mcasso. Weekend evenings are different.
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    Yes I did notice that it was in fact unmodified Devon jingles even the sung versions were just singing the word Cambridgeshire over the Devon tune. They sure got more use out of the package than Devon did though.

    I've uploaded the generic BBC East one to the sound cloud, it's called BBC East.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 November 2011
    Vinnah, yeah had a listen to the BBC East clip :) something I was told about those cuts in the past were that they were for use in an 'IT or Radioman failure' situation, I've heard that proved before when Sue Marchant had trouble firing off splits she said something to the words of "station's won't get their local jingles due to a computer problem" and then, by the next travel bully & news after that generics in the style you've posted have been played instead.

    Thinking of Steve Cherelle's Sunday Country show that's for the East via Essex, he only used a generic stab version of the Essex travel theme to go in & out of travel, no voiceover etc. Most of Sunday evenings were produced in Essex (unsure if still the case) I guess the stations have contingency audio available for network shows.

    With everyone Mcasso'd in the East now I'd hope someone in Norwich in charge of regional programming on the locals might re-think & re-image those times. And looking further ahead with talk of an England-wide shared show 7-10 there'll almost certainly be attention paid to making the junctions work better, that should apply also to all shared programming threatened by beeb local management to come, I guess it makes sense now they've succeeded in getting stations sounding so similar ?

    In the old days BBC South used to remotely fire off carts from Southampton during evening shares, that seemed to work more solidly than the Radioman macro type remote playouts.

    As for Devon lols ;) they've always been a bit zzzz to make use of previous jingles, Nottingham & Kent made better use of the post 2000 sung jingles that I think Devon were first to produce, same as you say with the music4 package, it was way to upbeat for sleepy ol' Devon, there's some pretty fronty cuts in that package, can't see Judy Spiers ever opting to use 'em ;) And on the subject of music4 I was flicking thru some of the old BBC 3CR packaged, there's a urban, dance, reggae & just about every music style theme there you'd not expect to hear on beeb locals !
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    3CR had in my opinion the best jingle package out all the stations in the East before they switched in fact it was my favourite radio station all together before they went and mucked around with the schedule the same day they implemented Mcasso.

    The News and Travel versions on the Music4 website are not the versions 3CR had been using before the switch.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 November 2011
    no that's right they seemed to go back and get 'topped' up on the info cuts every now & then, and they always got better & better, I lurved going thru their patch with the TA on the car radio just to listen in on how their travel wrapped into their news, bit like the BBC London cuts of a few years back, I'm all for a neat & tidy imaging setup me lols ...

    interesting with 3CR they had sung cuts from music4 in between instrumental packages, as a fan of 3CR did they use the sung cuts much ? I only ever heard instrumentals of cuts that had been sung, one Xmas on a shared show Ernie Almond played a sung 3CR to network by accident, it's these jingle-bloops we love to hear, it gives away the secrets of where network shows are coming from etc :)

    I have always since the dawn of my jingle time seemed to love BBC local radio imaging, not sure why it didn't fit the street cred as a young lad, but listen to BBC Newcastle's TM package from the 90's they were sounding hotter than the average ILR at the time, BBC Essex had customs from David Arnold in 86 with UK singers, in 91 with US singers, my fave package of all that was, never resung for any other station ... ahh memories lols !!!
  • MarkieGMarkieG November 2011
    I liked listening to some of the S2 Blue jingles for Radio Cornwall
  • VinnahVinnah November 2011
    The sung jingles weren't used much at all on 3CR in fact the only show that used them frequently was The Nine O'Clock show (Now the other One Show) there are some variations of it, it's called Mid Morning on the Music4 site.

    The instrumental Soft Rock Promo Bed - Short Version was the jingle they frequently played to identify the station and it was the first jingle played each day after the 6 o'clock news.
  • nickmozznickmozz November 2011
    Hi there

    Is there any reason why the MP3 files on the older posts are "Not found" anymore? I listened to old great BBC Bristol newsbuild a few months back, and trying to listen again today just comes up with "not found". I know this website was recently revamped but it's a shame the old audio in posts seems inaccessable. (unless i am doing something wrong?)

    I use the post below as an example of links that I can't get to play.

    Many thanks

    Nick Mozz


    timbo wrote:
    "BBC Radio Bristol and BBC Somerset are the next ones to take up the package, according to Mcasso's website"

    I quite like the Somerset/Bristol package at the moment...anyone have the Bristol version of the attached?



    http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1272231475_1091_FT75978_som_news_60sec_edit.mp3 filename:som_news_60sec_edit.mp3


    I absolutely love the news build from this package. Thanks for posting the BBC Somerset variant. From rummaging in the archives it would seem that these are based on a BBC Leicester package.

    Enjoy the Bristol flavoured version!
    http://jinglemad.com/e107_files/public/1272708594_4510_FT75978_-_bbc_radio_bristol_-_news_build.mp3 filename:-_bbc_radio_bristol_-_news_build.mp3


  • simon_t123simon_t123 November 2011
    @ nickmozz I'll get that up on JM SoundCloud :)
  • nickmozznickmozz December 2011
    Thanks for the old BBC Bristol Newsbuild Simon!

    Cheers

    Nick
  • simon_t123simon_t123 December 2011
    no probs :) the topics gone all quiet for the mo ... not many stations left to talk about I think !!!
  • LenGroatLenGroat December 2011
    Tonight I posted this on Facebook in response to a sound file of Shropshire MP's 'plugging' the local BBC station in a House of Commons debate:

    "These MPs must be 'early to beds' as they did not mention Amanda Bowman the BEST presenter they have :-) And SURELY they can go back to the wonderful SUNG American jingles of a few years ago rather than these AWFUL 'voice things' with music behind? And YES I DO know the station ~ I was living near Newport Shrops for 2 years...."

    Within 2 hours Andrew Hewkin who works on the station has posted a sound file of the American (TM) jingles.... !

    They may not be on the air now but they clearly keep them close to their hearts...

  • local_12local_12 December 2011
    Strictly speaking, since her show is networked, Amanda Bowman presents from BBC Radio Nottingham :)
  • GBGB December 2011
    Does anyone have any Christmas mcasso BBC local beds now we are in that festive season?
  • simon_t123simon_t123 December 2011
    can't recall there being any GB ;) ... actually not 100% on that, it's possible they 'jingle bell'd" up some of the usual cuts, at least here in Essex ... I can't remember any specific festive cuts, it might well have been bells in for strings or someone with an overdub using their trusty triangle or cymbals ;)
  • GBGB December 2011
    Yes they had the bells in for strings on some of the jingles on BBC Sussex last Christmas, some with little 'jangly bits' added on the end as well. They did also, however, have a full festive weather bed, that was completely different to the conventional version.
  • AndyWAndyW December 2011
    LenGroat said:

    Tonight I posted this on Facebook in response to a sound file of Shropshire MP's 'plugging' the local BBC station in a House of Commons debate:

    "These MPs must be 'early to beds' as they did not mention Amanda Bowman the BEST presenter they have :-) And SURELY they can go back to the wonderful SUNG American jingles of a few years ago rather than these AWFUL 'voice things' with music behind? And YES I DO know the station ~ I was living near Newport Shrops for 2 years...."

    Within 2 hours Andrew Hewkin who works on the station has posted a sound file of the American (TM) jingles.... !

    They may not be on the air now but they clearly keep them close to their hearts...



    Radio Shropshire signed on with TM back in the 80's and had a lot of JAM stuff inbetween till they went back to TM for a custom package a few years ago. The Magic Of Shropshire 96FM. Perhaps it was strategic not to mention Amanda Bowman. After all she's networked from Nottingham. Not very local to Shropshire is it? For the rest of the day they have the local thing nailed pretty well and a very good presentation team.
  • ScarlettdadScarlettdad December 2011
    Yes I have to say I rate Eric Smith on Shropshire Breakfast very highly.
  • local_12local_12 December 2011
    Forgot to mention, Radio Suffolk launched with their Mcasso Christmas package this week. The presenter ID's, travel and weather has been jingle bell'd up as Simon said with the news build simply having a sparkly bit at the end.
  • star+tetleystar tetley December 2011

    can't recall there being any GB ;) ... actually not 100% on that, it's possible they 'jingle bell'd" up some of the usual cuts, at least here in Essex ... I can't remember any specific festive cuts, it might well have been bells in for strings or someone with an overdub using their trusty triangle or cymbals ;)



    The one with the bells on the end is being played in Northampton.

  • simon_t123simon_t123 December 2011
    ooo' they're getting about then ;) Essex, yep 'belling' their blandest cut up this yeah as a main / presenter ID but it's Xmassy I guess ... I did here a purely festive bed being spoken over on Steve Scrouton's afternoon show, it had the melody "we wish you a Merry Christmas, and a happy new year" in amongst the Mcasso-esque sound ...
  • star+tetleystar tetley December 2011
    Lots of festive cuts on the Eastern Counties evening show - including the travel!
  • tom_htom_h December 2011
    WM & Shropshire using festive cuts.

    Was wondering though, why they give the presenters ramps to use when I've never heard the presenter finish at the right point, they either overshoot or leave a massive gap for it to end. Would it not be better to give them a bed they could end at anytime? Not that the normal listener would notice I guess, it might even just be me!

    The Shropshire cuts have warmed to me and while I'm not normally a fan of sung jingles I still miss their old ones.
  • tom_htom_h December 2011
    WM have a new travel voiceover. Going to be honest. I don't like it. However, it doesnt' seem to fit in with the rest of the stations imaging, as shown in this clip. The guy doing the voiceover has recently done a trail (which is included in this clip) for the station too. Does anybody know who he is?

    Started on drivetime I think, and has continued into the evening. I think you'll agree that it doesn't seem to fit.

    Also included two of the festive jingles, and one of the original. All of this was taken from today (December 23rd 2011).

    thomashughes274.webs.com/wmdece.mp3

    Cheers.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 December 2011
    star tetley ... too right, loads of festive 'stuff' on the regional shows, Essex have been using the evening Xmassy travel bed as their main presenter ID / bed over Christmas this year, I was pleased to hear some festive Mcasso in Essex at least, a trip to the Midlands and then Xmas away in Somerset found no stations in my travelling areas using Mcasso Christmas cuts, I was in the Somerset area for a few days over Xmas itself ... not one Xmas sounding cut :(

    I've got a theory with the Eastern Counties news intro's, the contributing station seems to now play a generic / no VO version of their own station's news intro, Sue Marchant's news intro had the Radio Cambridgeshire logo in the news build, and shows from Nick Risby / James Wotsit coming from Suffolk used the Radio Suffolk logo in their news build, same kind of thing they seem to do in the South with Kent using it's logo ...
  • local_12local_12 December 2011
    Yes, I also noticed the generic news build while listening here in Cambridge, I thought it was a technical fault at first because of the loss of VO :/

    It gives away the game away to listeners in Northants, 3CR and Essex and I noticed that they played the Cambridgeshire travel jingle (with voiceover) to other stations in the region as well.
  • local_12local_12 December 2011
    local_12 said:

    Yes, I also noticed the generic news build while listening here in Cambridge, I thought it was a technical fault at first because of the loss of VO :/

    It gives away the game away to listeners in Northants, 3CR and Essex and I noticed that they played the Cambridgeshire travel jingle (with voiceover) to other stations in the region as well.



    In terms of imaging, I hope BBC East uses the same type of imaging as BBC Midlands and BBC West.

  • jonnojonno January 2012
    Listening to the BBC Radio Solent breakfast programme this morning I hear Mcasso cuts in use now :-(
  • simon_t123simon_t123 January 2012
    ta for the heads up jonno, just had a listen back on the iplayer :) not a bad selection of cuts, I like what they've done for the top of hour on Solent, a fairly widespread cut builds to a 'Radio Solent' logo but instead of the usual "do do dooo" at the end they've got slightly different chords in use, the melody goes up a note instead of down I think, then theres a pad for the pips before they fire off a more normal sting of "do do dooo" lols, I was going to post some audio but could I get Audition to rip from iPlayer ??? Nah !
  • jonnojonno January 2012
    didn't hear a toh , but glad to hear they have created a radio solent logo for it. The cuts i heard punctuating the main programme content sounded a bit samey and repetitive and all 'do do dooo' will give a more critical listen tomorrow .. This morning was a bit hectic - first day back at work and first day back at school for the girls so hopefully the domestic routine will run a little smoother tomorrow :-)
  • simon_t123simon_t123 January 2012
    here's hoping jonno !!! my school run starts again tomorrow ... so with Solent in the Mcasso bag, does that just leave BBC London ? I heard cuts for Cumbria here on JM via this thread, so they must have switched or be doing so soon, I was thinking the bods-that-be could make a good fusion of the Mcasso & BBC London logo's :)

    as for Solent, yep deffo samey but just that TOH to note, just how the notes we come to expect to sound out 'BBC' take a different key / chord, just before the pips !
  • VinnahVinnah January 2012
    BBC Radio Cumbria are still using S2Blue which I guess makes them the only one now, I'm not sure if to count London or not, I doubt it's going to use the same cuts as everywhere else but who knows.

    It's really strange what they're doing with BBC East and it's only a recent thing which happened after Suffolk changed to Mcasso. The Travel jingles are the usual ones for the station but the TOH is the origin stations logo with no VO. Don't really know why they changed that as it worked fine before.

    At least they haven't got old ones left over this time. On 3CR whilst they were still on Music4 they had a really old version of their jingle play whenever Steve Springett was in for Nick Risby.

    Richard Spendloves show on a Saturday still uses Music4.
  • GBGB January 2012
    Really like the Mcasso jingles on BBC Radio Solent. The news build is a vamped up version of the BBC Sussex/BBC Surrey/BBC Radio Berkshire news theme, and the travel is the ecoustic guitar version as heard on BBC Radio Berkshire I think.
  • local_12local_12 January 2012
    The jingles are a good adaption of the previous ones including the TOH but Solent seems to have gone the same way as Essex and Devon in terms of having only one standard presenter ID. The package also sounds a bit similar to Berkshire... but hey this is a generic package :)

    From what I've heard London is meant to take the package but I'm sure there will be special cuts or at least vamped up versions like Solent, Leicester and Derby.
  • VinnahVinnah January 2012
    As of tonight BBC In the East is still playing the wrong cuts during the Eastern Region shows so I guess that rules this out as being a technical thing, it's just interesting how the travel jingles are still local but the news one isn't even though the travel news is no more local than the headlines after 1900.

    I might email the BBC about this, I'm just interested to know the reason behind this change as it doesn't make much sense for the likes of 3CR, Cambridgeshire & Northampton to have "B-B-C Rad-i-o Suff-olk" playing, I guess it doesn't sound out of place in Norfolk.

    I'm assuming it's the same during Sue Marchant's show now, though I don't listen to that I'm more of a Nick Risby fan.
  • star+tetleystar tetley January 2012
    Vinnah said:

    BBC Radio Cumbria are still using S2Blue which I guess makes them the only one now, I'm not sure if to count London or not, I doubt it's going to use the same cuts as everywhere else but who knows.

    It's really strange what they're doing with BBC East and it's only a recent thing which happened after Suffolk changed to Mcasso. The Travel jingles are the usual ones for the station but the TOH is the origin stations logo with no VO. Don't really know why they changed that as it worked fine before.

    At least they haven't got old ones left over this time. On 3CR whilst they were still on Music4 they had a really old version of their jingle play whenever Steve Springett was in for Nick Risby.

    Richard Spendloves show on a Saturday still uses Music4.



    BBc London wont be the last to be 'Mcassod'. Spendlove will!
  • star+tetleystar tetley January 2012
    Northampton still have their Bespoke sports theme at the end of the Saturday sport show. Very strange.
  • GBGB January 2012
    Vinnah said:

    As of tonight BBC In the East is still playing the wrong cuts during the Eastern Region shows so I guess that rules this out as being a technical thing, it's just interesting how the travel jingles are still local but the news one isn't even though the travel news is no more local than the headlines after 1900.

    I might email the BBC about this, I'm just interested to know the reason behind this change as it doesn't make much sense for the likes of 3CR, Cambridgeshire & Northampton to have "B-B-C Rad-i-o Suff-olk" playing, I guess it doesn't sound out of place in Norfolk.

    I'm assuming it's the same during Sue Marchant's show now, though I don't listen to that I'm more of a Nick Risby fan.



    On BBC South's evening show, Roger Day (from BBC Radio Kent) just plays the 'bbc' part of the logo rather than the full Kent version (he did use to but ammended it!). Paul Miller (from BBC Radio Solent) still plays split jingles on the BBC South late show, even though the whole of the South is now mcasso'd.

  • jonnojonno January 2012
    I think there's a techincal reason why programmes from Kent don't/can't play split jingles across the south network as opposed to programmes sourced from Southampton which can/do. (Cue Rak with an explanation/correction to this statement) Also, I guess the split jingles are relevant in Paul's show because they announce the phone numbers which are specific to each station. He had a funny little technophobe moment the other evening when the jingle playout was misbehaving :)
  • ScarlettdadScarlettdad January 2012
    I do wish the BBC locals would press harder for somebody to sort out the terrible glitching noises afflicting all their programmes on iplayer; all the network stuff is fine.
  • VinnahVinnah January 2012
    BBc London wont be the last to be 'Mcassod'. Spendlove will!


    I guess it's because it's only used at the start of the show and when Kent joins, Richard'show does not have any other jingles as there is no travel and no news at that time on a Saturday night, maybe he was allowed to keep Music4 out of choice as for example Keith Skues, Paul Barnes etc have their own jingles in weekend evenings.

    Northampton still have their Bespoke sports theme at the end of the Saturday sport show. Very strange.


    3CR's BBC Introducing has both Mcasso and some previous elements, the VOs are also from the Music4 era Duncan Newmarch and a woman, not sure who she is.

    I do wish the BBC locals would press harder for somebody to sort out the terrible glitching noises afflicting all their programmes on iplayer; all the network stuff is fine.


    Yeah I've noticed that too and it's been doing that for a few months now, I wonder what could be causing it, I've noticed that they are a lower bitrate than the national shows on the iPlayer so it could be that the software they're using to compress them just isn't up to the job, however you'd think that someone in the BBC would have noticed it, it's pretty obvious and it's really frequent. Some of the local shows on the iPlayer are so compressed and loud they are virtually unlistenable.

    I've noticed a couple of variations on BBC Cambs recently, there are at least two versions of the weather forecast now. Also Tony Gillham talks over the travel jingle now, he has been quite slap dash with the jingles ever since the move to Mcasso.
  • simon_t123simon_t123 January 2012
    interesting technical & Mcasso type posts here :) a great read ... one point whilst passing thru, presenters who chat over the Mcasso logo's ... so annoying !!! I know for some stations the logo out of travel can be up to 10/15 seconds long but talking over it as soon as the VO is done is removing what little localisation that package brings to a station, perhaps travel jingles take up too much airtime !

    I can't say I've heard the wrong travel ID's go out on the wrong stations here in the east, I've heard some dead air here in Essex when regional fired travel ID's have failed to play, the same I heard when passing thru Northants at news time last year, I've also heard bleed from say Sue's headphones with the Cambs travel ID coming thru her studio mic, I guess making things generic solves those kinds of problems, I had a meeting with Gerald Main the man.ed at BBC Essex the other year & was asking about regional programmes then whilst pitching an idea, Gerald said that as the BBC were going through the whole 'trust' thing at the time (dodgy winners & fake callers) there was some feeling perhaps that pretending a regional show is local & imaging as such might actually anger the listener more ! The BBC was being very careful at that time to be open & honest, perhaps that's a reason for generalising branding ?

    Branding interests me in general, I'm happy enough with the concept of the Mcasso package even if the quality leaves a lot to be desired, I like the uniform sound so long as it maintains local tweaks & elements, as for many stations it does.

    Thinking about why stations in the East play their own music logo versions of travel / news etc, I'm sure some of us remember the times when on ITV the local TV company, Anglia, Thames etc would play their ident before a show they made aired on the network, that's going way back but was a kind of credit to that company for producing the programme for the network, it might not be a million miles in thought away for that for stations in the East, Essex, Cambs & Suffolk certainly play their own Mcasso themes now, with their own local logo but no VO, where VO's are used they are the voices usually used by the station making the show for the region.

    Does anyone get up early enough to catch Wally Webb's network show from Norfolk ? What imaging does he use ? Norfolk is the regional HQ for the East & decisions on network imaging & programmes come from Norwich, the man.ed of Radio Norfolk used to also be the regional controller also (I think).
  • wixy1360wixy1360 January 2012
    "I'm happy enough with the concept of the Mcasso package even if the quality leaves a lot to be desired, I like the uniform sound so long as it maintains local tweaks & elements, as for many stations it does."

    Apologies for repeating myself (again!) but if France Bleu can consistantly do this with stylish sung custom jingles that provide the appropriate levels of ID for their complex layers of local & network services & interaction, then why are the BBC re-inventing the wheel - badly?

    PS - I take it BBC Worldwide must be really coining-in the cash from the massive royalties from the vast number of re-sings/syndication of this incredibly successful McCasso package that must surely be in great demand by stations all around the planet? :-D