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NEW KEN R Sampler (Uh-OH)...:)
  • nleibonleibo October 2017
    with some apprehension, I make note of a NEW KEN R Jingle Sampler HERE: http://www.jinglesamplers.com/wabcnon-pams.htm
  • jinglejoejinglejoe October 2017
    Great! Thanks for the heads up. Interesting that some of those Ross packages were using the "I'll Take Manhattan" melody, which I thought had begun with the PAMS jingles circa 1964. I wonder what the story was.
  • mjb1124mjb1124 October 2017
    I don't think Jon can make any claim to these. :)

    Anyhow, it's neat to hear the original WABC chime in the clear without the jingle.
  • ratnobratnob October 2017
    Another interesting slice of jingle history. Thanks for posting.
  • bobgreenradiobobgreenradio October 2017
    who says? you can claim anything.

    i look forward to all of kenr's treats. and thank you ted, too!
  • nleibonleibo October 2017
    JingleJoe--I was thinking the same thing about the "I'll Take Manhattan" Melody line-- according to Allan Sniffen (musicradio77.com) & the late Rick Sklar (WABC PD), the change to the "I'll Take Manhattan" melody was "associated" with the move to PAMS...
  • jinglejoejinglejoe November 2017
    Indeed, quite a mystery. According to both those sources you mention, I think most of us made that same assumption. In the book "The Hits between the Hits" by Don Worsham, PAMS tried selling WABC Series 15 around 1960. Not sure what the logo was as I can't place the demo at this time. Additionally, it states that WABC gave PAMS a try in 1962. I recall that WABC used Johnson & Sidday and Ross jingles until that time, and then jumped to PAMS and the distinct logo we all came to know. Was the sampler above part of Ross' attempt to keep WABC as a client by using the "I'll Take Manhattan" melody? No mention anywhere in any of the books, not that I could see.
  • nleibonleibo November 2017
    I heard that PAMS Series 15 Audition--I think it was the same logo as WKBW--certainly NOT the "I'll Take Manhattan" logo...
  • jinglejoejinglejoe November 2017
    Wow.
  • nleibonleibo November 2017
    I was reading the book "Rocking America" by the late Rick Sklar (Former PD of WABC/NYC). Re: the "I'll Take Manhattan" melody, Sklar wrote: "WABC's jingles were based on the melody "I'll Take Manhattan", but the jingles did not match the music". Now this was when Rick Sklar took over as PD (circa 1963)--which would explain the earlier (Roy Ross-WABC) jingles with the "I'll Take Manhattan" Theme.
  • nleibonleibo December 2017
    "JingleJoe" if you want to hear the ORIGINAL PAMS auditons for the 77 WABC "logo"--check out the Newest Ken R. Jingle Sampler (http://www.jinglesamplers.com/normanbarrington50th.htm) It's in Cut#1 ("Series 14-19 Montage") at approx: 05:01 in...


  • IainJohnstonIainJohnston December 2017
    Superb quality and content, surprises galore, and even stereo mixes of things that were never Stereo in the first place!

    Norman B has probably THE biggest & longest-standing jingle collection anywhere outside of certain "vaults".
    And versions of things that most collectors will have no idea exist other than in demo or original client-commissioned form.

    And collectors over a certain age will recognise the "tympani crash" technique Norman uses, especially "mirroring"
    a long ago tape-spliced "PAMS 14-49" montage that would have been VERY hard to do back then.

    Gents et al, I'd bag the full zip of this utterly excellent effort before it ... uh-oh.....
  • scotronscotron December 2017
    Just dipped into the Norman Barrington 50th Anniversary page. Incredible. Will look forward to listening to all the cuts at a future date. You know, there was a time many, many years ago, when I thought I might be a real odd ball to be a fan of radio jingles and collect jingles as a hobby. Wow, who did that? So therefore, I did not mention it to anyone. I just went about my hobby quietly, recording material off air, looking at offers in the music press of the time, publications like Sounds and Record Mirror where you could find small ads for tapes available of Dj cuts or compilations of Pirate radio, PAMS or USA station edits. I met a few like minded folk along the way, mainly when I started getting involved in Hospital Radio. I had no idea about the history of jingle companies, who sang them, made them...I just knew I liked them. I always remember my first realisation that jingles could be resung for other stations when I purchased a quarter inch tape of a jingle montage. I knew the jingle really well, as you will do. The cut was...from PAMS....'Remember This Golden Classic.'.etc. ( you know the one). I was astounded to hear a different lyric. 'Here's Jack Gale, to ruin your breakfast.......' Anyway, I am always in awe of the all the folk on here who know all about the history of jingles, the singers, the producers, the background stories. I just go along with the flow and enjoy reading all the stories on here and chatting with my jingle friends out there. I am a mere minnow in a shoal of jingle experts, but what better company could you wish for.
  • ratnobratnob December 2017

    Wonderful. And I'm honoured to be included in the final compilation. It reminds me of what a great gang this is. Congrats, Norman.
  • IainJohnstonIainJohnston December 2017
    Just sliding very slightly sideways...

    Ron said:- "there was a time many, many years ago...odd ball to be a fan of radio jingles and collect jingles
    as a hobby...did not mention it to anyone. I just went about my hobby quietly..."

    At that time, Ron was less than 25 miles away from me, and we didn't know; I also had no idea to what extent
    how many other serious collectors might be anywhere within range at all, never mind Norman B. Everyone else
    UK was a "long way Down South" - and today many of them are again to be found thanks to this Forum
    :^

    And yet we never encountered Jon Wolfert or other USA collectors back then other than Tom Konard
    at WCFL Chcago - but as I mentioned on a post here a wee while back, we had audio of "someone at PAMS"
    technically describing how he put moog overlays on to a PAMS backing track - never realising just WHO the
    voice was on the tape, and that some day he would leave PAMS and be the founder & owner of JAM...

    "I always remember my first realisation that jingles could be resung for other stations when I purchased a
    quarter inch tape of a jingle montage...from PAMS....'Remember This Golden Classic.'.etc... I was astounded
    to hear a different lyric. 'Here's Jack Gale, to ruin your breakfast.......' "

    Likewise that dub, at 3&3/4 IPS! The cut Ron describes was from the WAYS Charlotte utterly bonkers
    version of PAMS Series 27.
    I recreated my own version of that big montage several years ago (link still somewhere on JM).
    I've never again found a dub of the "original" Golden Classic montage as mentioned - but no doubt it'll
    be "Out There" either on TooYoob or on a 5" reel in a cardboard box lying in an attic somewhere...

    Today, at least one other modern version exists on TooYoob by Elmer someone in the States.

    And now back to Norman B's excellent sampler...
  • jinglejoejinglejoe December 2017
    nleibo, many thanks for the heads up on the WABC PAMS cut, and for the Barrington anniversary sampler, which I hadn't known about, for some reason. Just incredible stuff. Thanks again. joe
  • nleibonleibo December 2017
    Yw Joe...:)
  • tcarmantcarman December 2017
    scotron said:

    I always remember my first realisation that jingles could be resung for other stations when I purchased a quarter inch tape of a jingle montage. I knew the jingle really well, as you will do. The cut was...from PAMS....'Remember This Golden Classic.'.etc. ( you know the one). I was astounded to hear a different lyric. 'Here's Jack Gale, to ruin your breakfast.......'



    "In the day" the only time I heard that PAMS 27 Jack Gale cut used was on the "Potpourri One" sampler done by Ron Harris. In fact, the first dub of it I got back in the seventies started with a WLCY PAMS 33 cut edit (Merry Go Round). In time, I found that there were various incomplete dubs floating around. I've since replaced those old dubs with a copy that Ron ran from his original master around 20 years ago. Ron just told me that he's made a couple of "technical adjustments" to the original sampler and will provide me with a dub of it shortly for inclusion on the web.

  • nleibonleibo December 2017
    will you Post, Tracy?
  • tcarmantcarman December 2017
    nleibo said:

    will you Post, Tracy?



    Here you go......

    http://jinglesamplers.com/ronharrissamplers.htm

  • nleibonleibo December 2017
    Cool stuff--Thanks, Tracy! Happy Holidays..:)!
  • Thanks for all the kind words guys. As you will all know it's a labour of love for me, an excuse to listen once more to great stuff, laced with great nostalgia. It took over a year to assemble - hence a few mistakes (like repeating a cut in two different categories or thinking 'oh I should have included so and so in there!'). In the end it was rushed to be completed before the end of 2017 or else it would not have been the 50th anymore ;-) Needless to say, I already have enough in mind to do another!

    I am aware in that 50 years we have come a long way from the days I would hold my finger above the record key between records only to say B!@&$%*^! when a DJ had the audacity to talk over some fab bed. It did not take long for my record button to break due to over-enthusiasm. Then there were those 3" spools and jiffy bags. Posted back and forth. Now we upload to dropbox for someone specific, or in this case to jinglesamplers.com and it travels silently under the Atlantic and is instantly available to the planet.

    I shall forgive whoever above referred to my sampler as the "Newest Ken R. Jingle Sampler" since Ken is a good friend of mine, and has contributed more to my personal collection than any other, his being amongst the first samplers I ever got to hear, Tracy C being close behind. I did my best to even surprise them with some cuts. and if you are sharp eared, there are also quite a few trick cuts - crafty edits to make jingles do things they are not supposed to, aimed at the cognoscenti.

    Peace Through Jingles!

    yours

    Norman

    http://www.jinglesamplers.com/normanbarrington50th.htm
  • nleibonleibo January 9
    >>"I shall forgive whoever above referred to my sampler as the "Newest Ken R. Jingle Sampler" <<--That would be me, Norman--since it was the "latest" addition to the Jingle Samplers on the Ken R. page--perhaps "Latest Jingle Sampler" would have been more appropriate..:)<br />
    NLeibo
  • I understood that NL! Just an opportunity to blow my own trumpet.

    When you spend a lot of time on something you obviously want as many to hear it as possible, so thanks for drawing attention to it's release.

    For the series montages, I thought it would be boring to only feature the demo WCKY or KHEY cuts, so I wonder how many noticed the fictitious Series #21 cuts! There are many other tricks. There is even a Pepper cut with a PAMS ending buried in there..... :-"